Category Archives: Vaccine Info
Patos is Thriving; I am exhausted!
Weimar Disdain turned to Snuggles and Kisses
The 9-Week Puppy Shot
Big hugs to you and Cliff! ~Meg
We are happy that Sucia has turned the corner and realized that Patos is not only staying, but it is an excellent thing to have a sister.
I am glad you are sticking to the vaccine protocol. It has proven time and again to produce high vaccine titer results–in turn, keeping the additional vaccine at bay with the risk of a severe vaccine reaction.
We do encourage folks to worm their puppy on a regular basis. There are certain things we cannot speak to for a broad-based audience. Each person must decide what the real risk is when it comes to Heartworm–is it vital to start the new puppy on this medication. Well, maybe. If so, should you use the Plus version that covers the worming as well as guarding against the dreaded heartworm scenario? The one caution we do have is to not overload your Weimaraner’s system with a lot of chemicals. Be as Holistic as possible–this is even more important with the young Weimaraner; however, some adult Weims can react to various medications. Proceed with caution and do a bit of research–if there are reports from dog owners who have used a product and it caused seizures, we recommend choosing another option–different pain medication, etc. Weigh the risks and just because one person didn’t have an issue, keep in mind a percentage of Weims do have severe (even life-threatening) vaccine reactions–as well as a low tolerance for certain medications. One that comes to mind is the Rimadyl.
At 16 Weeks
Elio continues to be an absolute joy and an incredible addition to my little fur family! He’s a calm, well-mannered puppy who picks up on things incredibly fast! We’re going into week 3 of puppy classes and he’s doing great! 🙂
A Reminder to Proceed with Caution
The Sadie X Stackhouse Litter will celebrate their sixteen-week birthday on this coming Sunday (June 25th). That brings everyone to a crossroad. By now a lot has happened, and everyone will have found themselves insanely busy raising their Weimaraner. The Weimaraner’s (and the OwyheeStar) Vaccine Protocol can have been forgotten.
Your Veterinary office will have a different (broad-based) vaccine protocol. Even if they agree to follow the recommendations, it will fall on the pup’s owner to remember these details. We suggest putting the dates on your calendar and ignoring the Veterinary office alerts. Otherwise, it gets very confusing. If you have forgotten the protocol read on1
- 6-Week NEOPAR® Puppy Shot(given at OwyheeStar)
- 9-Week *Nobivac Canine 1-DAPPv
- 12- Week *Nobivac Canine 1-DAPPv
- Other vaccines such as Lepto and Kennel Cough (Bordatella) should be given as needed–and avoided when possible. We recommend not combining these shots with any other vaccine–, especially rabies. Vaccine challenges the immune system to build antibodies; therefore, we strongly encourage you to space Lepto, Bordetella, and Rabies vaccination at least two weeks apart. We realize that many veterinary practices give multiple vaccinations at a single visit; however, this approach is easier on the immune system. If a reaction does occur, then you know what caused it and plan to avoid it in the future. Yes, we understand this is a more costly approach–avoiding the risk is worth it!
- 16-Week Crossroad <== Opt for the Vaccine Titer Test instead of automatically getting another puppy shot. Your Vet is going to recommend just doing the shot because that is typical for the all-breed approach; however, a percentage of Weims are vaccine sensitive. Although your pup probably never had a reaction before, please do not ignore this warning. Even a mild vaccine reaction can trigger immune system issues–some of these lead to on-going health problems and in certain instances death. It is not worth the risk! The vaccine titer test runs more than double the cost of the typical puppy shot, but it might save you thousands over time as well as the potential heartache. Almost without exception, our protocol has been producing immunity by week sixteen, which means your puppy doesn’t need any more essential vaccine. If you need the optional vaccines (Bordetella or Lepto) these can be done; however, please space them at least two weeks apart from the Rabies.
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PUPPY VACCINE CLARIFICATION (Lepto)
There is a significant push by the Veterinary community (due to the recent rise of Lepto) to include Lepto in the puppy shot. The Weimaraner Club of America (as well as others who study this breed) recommend you wait to give the Lepto, etc. until the puppy shots are completed. The puppy shot should not include Lepto or Corona. No other vaccine should be combined with the puppy shot. Waiting for the Lepto, Bordetella, and another vaccine until the pup is a little older is less risky. It takes more effort and costs a bit more to space the vaccine, but is worth it.
What is the DAPPv?
Canine Distemper, Adenovirus Type 1 (Hepatitis), Adenovirus Type 2 (Respiratory Disease), Parainfluenza, and Parvovirus (Click Here to read more about the vaccine we use. Remember the Puppy Shot should not contain the Lepto or Corona.
We are neither Licensed Veterinarians nor Licensed Veterinary Techs. Our recommendations are based on twenty-plus years breeding the Weimaraner (exclusively) as well as the breed recommendation (from the Weimaraner Club of America). Ultimately, you have to decide what is the best approach. This protocol is considered a more Holistic and safer approach. That being said, our advice cannot replace that of your Veterinary of choice.
At 7 Months
Hello!My how time flies! Our Chloe (from Hattee x Stackhouse) is now almost 7 months old and we can hardly believe that she’s been with us 5 months. You don’t quite realize as it’s happening but she has grown so much. We did her 12 week puppy shots then the 16 week titer check which showed positive antibodies so didn’t need the 16 week shots! She got her Rabies shot at 6 months and other than being a little lethargic the day after seems to have tolerated it well, she weighs 46.8lbs. Does that seem about on track for her age? I have hundreds of pictures but tried to narrow down for this update but will send more. The attached are of her sitting pretty for a photo at 9 weeks and 6 months.She is so smart and has a very good recall-largely achieved in the early stages with the use of treats/praise for coming when called and now occasionally gets a treat reward but always praise. She walks calmly with loose leash about 60% of the time (our work is ongoing). We were prepared to put in a lot of effort for ongoing mental and physical exercise and I believe it’s been paying off. We have our pre-meal routine of 20 minutes playing fetch then 10-15 minutes obedience training before she gets breakfast/dinner.
We are so thankful that we crate trained her from day one and she now voluntarily naps in her crate and sleeps in it 3-4 nights/week (yes she sleeps on the bed with us the other nights). Chloe also spends some alone time in her crate often; whether its for an hour while we run to the store, half hour while I clean floors or sometimes for several hours while I’m sleeping during the day between work shifts. Overall Chloe is so incredibly sweet and has been such an amazing addition to our home and I cannot imagine life without her. We are immensely grateful for this wonderful Weimaraner puppy and have even started talking about when to add a 2nd-we think maybe once Chloe is about a year old.
I have whole collections of photos/updates about our trips to the Sandy river delta dog park, to the coast, and hiking around that I’ll send in additional emails in the next week or so in better format if you would like to include them on the OwyheeStar website. Hope you and Cliff are well and enjoying some spring weather!Take care,Brittany, Don, and Chloe
Your training accomplishments are admirable. We know it requires digging deep and staying the course. It is so worth it. Keep up the great work. It is paying huge dividends. We look forward to working with you again.
Mousse X Stackhouse
~ The Titer Test Results are In!
We had the titer test done last week. It showed positive so Maverick is good with the vaccines that he has had done so far. Our Vet recommended that we bring him in this week for his rabies.
I have attached a recent picture of him. He is getting big! If his paws are any indicator… he is going to be a BIG boy!
Ripped from the Headlines
Even the thought of a current canine flu epidemic making the rounds, is apt to send shivers down our spine. Signs declaring risk of exposure shakes us to our core. Our pets are one of the most important things in our life. Their importance would be akin to food, water, air, and life-sustaining other stuff. They are family–for some; they are the only family. They share our bed, and our secrets. What could be more intimate?
The Canine flu is scary. The whole idea of protecting our beloved Weimaraner begs us to find something that ensures they are safe. Vaccine is normally the first thing mentioned when a topic like arises. Vaccine has changed the landscape of society, but it is not the answer for everything. I will be forever thankful that is thwarted epidemics like polio, small pox, and the like. Nevertheless, when it comes to the Weimaraner, vaccine is always a concern. Our recommendation is to avoid unnecessary vaccine–this means you have to determine which is absolutely necessary, and which is optional. It is to you to know what is best for your beloved Weimaraner. We know how tough that is, and most of us want to (solely) rely on our vet’s opinion. This could prove precarious at times. Most of you know it was hard to find a vet to agree to doing the titer test, in lieu of an automatic sixteen-week puppy shot, but this is important. Secondly, (whenever vaccine is called for) we recommend not combining shots. We know it is a common practice to have a Rabies, and a booster. We suggest you separate them at least by two weeks–longer is preferable. Never get a Bordetella (kennel Cough) shot with any other shot. Make sure you really need the annual booster; new studies show that vaccine protects your pet longer than they used to think. Keep the jolt to the immune system at a minimum, and work on building immunity.
Vaccine’s Dark Side
According to many experts, vaccination causes immune suppression … and that’s one really big reason why you probably should avoid the flu vaccine. This fact also sheds light on the Weimaraner vaccine protocol. Click here to read more from OwyheeStar.
Media and Dog Park Officials Sound and Alarm
The Dog Flu Epidemic: The Real Truth
Have you taken your dog for a romp in the local park, only to be stopped in your tracks by a sign warning dog owners to enter at their own risk because of a disease striking down dogs at epidemic proportions?
If you live in the Chicago area, you’ve probably seen these signs:
CHICAGO PARK DISTRICT NOTICE:
CANINE INFLUENZA VIRUS IN CHICAGO
The Canine Influenza Virus (the “Dog Flu”) is causing illness throughout the Chicago area. All unvaccinated dogs may be at risk. Even dogs showing no sign of illness may carry this virus.
PLEASE ENTER THIS DOG FRIENDLY AREA (DFA) AT YOUR OWN RISK
Click Here to read the whole story….
We are always concerned when puppies exit for their new home. It is not because I am ill over their departure. I can actually rejoice, because we put a great deal of work into each pup’s place. We know the kind of folks that are taking this pup home. The concern surrounds the on-going decisions each family must face.
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We are well aware of the recommendation (and the reasoning behind the recommendation) to forego any puppy shot before the 8-week mark. Nevertheless, we have stuck with our six-week high-titer Parvo only vaccine. People who have followed the recommendations, have been getting excellent results. Our protocol, which is based on the Weimaraner Club of America’s breed-specific protocol, works. We have never lost a pup to Parvo. We want to keep it that way. To put things in perspective, over the years we have received notes from people who never vaccinated their pup. We do not recommend that; however, letting a puppy leave with no vaccination whatsoever, is something we cannot do.
OwyheeStar on the Basics
The basics are something you are going to have to ensure happen. Your veterinary doesn’t have the time to do this for you. They have a broad-based practice, and they do not see the point in this protocol. Reactions when presented with these options can vary, but the pressure to do something else can be immense. It is not unreasonable to follow this protocol. You are not compromising the pup’s health. In a nutshell what you need to remember is fairly simple (the details are listed below).
- They need two puppy shots–our protocol calls for a 9-week, and a 12-week shot.
- This puppy shot should not contain Lepto or Corona
- Skip the 16-week puppy shot — ask the vet to get a titer test. The titer test will determine immunity levels. Only do the the sixteen-week puppy shot if the titer test shows a lack of immunity.
- Do not combine shots–this includes when you get the pup’s rabies vaccination.
- Do any other shot at a separate visit -processing one vaccine is enough for the young pup.
- If you are concerned about the dangers of Lepto spray your yard with a 10% bleach solution using a garden sprayer —frequency would based upon how many Lepto-carrying critters who visit your yard. Once a week might be a good rule of thumb. Lepto is treatable, but of course, we want to avoid it. Wait to get the Lepto vaccine until the pup is a bit older. We recommend 20 weeks.
Note: the guardian Be will doing avoid health issues, shorten her life.
From The Weimaraner Club of America
The use of Corona, Leptospirosis, Bordatella and Lyme vaccines are not recommended unless these diseases are prevalent in the area; and should never be administered along with the core vaccines listed above, but rather separately, and at a time when the pup’s immune system is mature. Rabies vaccinations should be given as required by law, but not coincident with other vaccinations. If possible, wait until the puppy is older than 16 weeks.
Vaccine recommendations are confusing.
Please keep in mind that at least 5% of Weimaraners reportedly exhibit a severe reaction to vaccine. Over vaccination may compromise your pup’s health and well-being.
The Weimaraner Puppy should not receive
- Lepto (or any shot containing Lepto)
- Avoid the 16 Week puppy shot
The Weimaraner Puppy needs a…
- 9 week: Canine Distemper, Adenovirus Type 2, Parainfluenza- Parvovirus
- 12 week: Canine Distemper, Adenovirus Type 2, Parainfluenza- Parvovirus
Choose the antibody test at 16 weeks
- At 16 week rather than risk a vaccine reaction, we advise getting a titer test.
- Should the titer test show low immunity to the Parvo , we recommend a Parvo-only vaccination rather than a combination shot.
Bloat and Lepto
We had a great first vet visit this morning and Addie is doing really well. Couple of things the vet asked us to ask you:
- Lepto. The vets would normally give this medicine, especially as Addie is going to spend a fair amount of time in the mountains. So they wanted to better understand your reasons for avoiding it.
- Torsion. Do you have an opinion on preventing this with surgery? We did it for our previous Weim at the same time she was spayed, but wanted to check with you first.
Shark Baby Look
As you can see from the photo, Addie may have a little piranha mixed in with her. But we’re working on it, and she is so smart, bold and affectionate. The only time she took fright was when a flock of noisy parrots flew over the yard. Other than that, she seems to be crate-trained and sleeps silently through the night, so thanks for the head-start you gave her.
Breeder’s Note: We are glad you are delighted with Addie. She is a cute girl. Our advice is to forego the Lepto vaccine when combined in the puppy shot. There are many reasons we believe it is beneficial to give the Lepto alone, and a bit later. Ideally, it is best having to use that particular vaccine, but when you are in a high-risk, location it is necessary. Unfortunately, when combined with the puppy-shot it may well compromise the pup’s health. In a small percentage of cases, it can be life-threatening. We feel those risks are not worth taking.
The surgical procedure of tacking-the stomach to prevent bloat is something we have no direct experience on doing. When we discussed it with Dr. Calhoun, he said he is not in favor of any unnecessary operative procedures. There is more information in yesterday’s blog on this topic. (Click Here) Honestly, our best guess is there are trade-offs, but maybe someone will have a comment to share on the topic.
Here is a photo of Lanya’s vaccination reaction from her 12 weeks shot. You can see the bump it made on the back of her neck at the injection site. It took a week for the reaction to appear and about 2 weeks for it to go back to normal. The bump was her only reaction that we noticed. I was pretty nervous for her 16 week tither test but we had very good news, her tests came back that she was protected so we could skip the shot. We delayed both the 12 week shot and the 16 test by a few weeks to be extra cautious. It all worked out and we are very thankful we had these suggested vaccination protocols from you guys. Thanks again!
Breeder’s Comment: A small percentage of Weimaraners develop a severe (or life-threatening) reaction to certain vaccines. A serious reaction, is most often associated with post 16-week vaccinations; therefore, we recommend a holistic approach to vaccine. Avoid puppy shots containing Lepto, we recomend you not combine vaccines, and in lieu of a sixteen-week shot we advise you invest in the titre test. We subscribe to the philosophy that it is better to be safe than sorry.
Layna’s reaction happened at the twelve-shot–it was the right shot, and it did not contain Lepto. We are glad her titre test came back showing she had adequate immunity.Here are some other photos of the lovely Layna.
Zelda continues to do well!
She’s getting so big! She’s beautiful though. Everyone that meets her thinks she’s gorgeous. Thank you so much for everything.
I notice that our veterinary office is calling for another set of puppy shots at the 16 week birthday. This would be a third puppy shot in the series. Is that typical vet protocol? It says on the blog no 16 week dapp2 shots.
Our answer: You are correct! The Weimaraner Club of America (WCA) has established the vaccine protocol based on the Weimaraner. The local veterinarian must establish an all-breed-practice. Unless you push for the WCA protocol to be followed, your puppy will get the sixteen-week shot. People handle this issue in different ways:
- They insist upon forgoing the vaccine. Instead, they order a titer test which measures the antibodies (or tests to see if the puppy has adequate immunity).
- Others will opt to forego the vaccine altogether.
I’m also wondering what the antibody titer is so I’ll know whether or not its necessary for her. The titer-test measure antibodies, and it is antibodies that produce protection against disease. For a more detailed explanation, please check out these links:
- More on titer testing–click here
- Please scroll down to the section titled — the trouble with titer testing
- The WCA —Vaccine reactions in the Weimaraner
When do you recommend the rabies? We believe rabies is a potent vaccine, and should never be combined with other vaccines. In many veterinary offices, this is a common practice. We feel it is best avoided. Rabies is required by law. The first rabies is a one-year vaccination, and should be given between sixteen weeks and six months of age. People who must license their pets, must vaccinate sooner than those who do not license. We prefer waiting, and limiting outside exposure. Each person must figure out what their local law requires and be in compliance.
Our information states that the Rabies should be given separate from other vaccine–at least two weeks after the core vaccinations (puppy shot) are complete and separate from all other vaccines.. Correct–the rabies vaccine should never be combined with any other vaccine. It is much easier on the immune system. We recommend spacing the rabies at least two weeks from other shots. In our opinion, it is even preferable to wait a full four weeks.
Please click here to read another post of the topic of vaccines for the Weimaraner. The problem with vaccine discussions is immunity and vaccine protection are not exact sciences. Most experts agree, that an eight-week, and a twelve-week puppy shot will provide adequate protection. There is no easy solution. We tend to follow the WCA recommendations, because no one is more invested in this breed than than the breed club.