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Gone Right

The More Invested Family

          ~A Move Worth Making

Breeder CommentTaun’s new family is OwyheeStar Vetted, and they await the next (OwyheeStar) fur family members arrival sometime early 2018
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Laura and Taun

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We now have Taun, a 5-year-old (Topper x Blue) Weimaraner pup. Having him with us floods our life with all the wonderful memories from our beloved Nadja (a former Weimaraner girl whose life was cut way short). Our family returns to life with the Weimaraner at the arrival of Taun. This breed has very distinct personality traits that no other breed we’ve owned or met duplicates. They are not for everyone, but that’s OK.

This joyous happening of Taun joining our family occurred by chance. My wife who is related to Chris was in Oregon visiting her Dad when she met Taun. It turns out, Chris and Freddy are moving, and it was not going to be the best situation for an energetic dog like Taun.

For the joy and the fun of it, Laura took him on a few walks and spent a fair bit of time with him while she was out there. When she was asked if we would be open to bringing Taun home, it didn’t take but a second to decide. We are delighted to have him in our household.

Laura shares (Jon’s significant other) as well as the loving new mom of Taun.

I wanted to introduce myself and say how incredibly wonderful fate sometimes works, i.e., Taking Taun was the bestest decision ever. It feels now as though he’s always been a part of our family.  He settled in nicely–we have added a fair amount of structure from the start, so he knew what to expect from day to day after the big transition.  I love your blog from Taun’s perspective and seems pretty right on.

What I love about Taun:  He’s a family dog, he’s happiest when he can be with any one of us, but he’s ok when no one is home (for short periods of time). He doesn’t appear to have been anxious, seems to nap on any one of his many dog beds. Nevertheless, upon our arrival, he is quick to greet us with his sleepy face. He often sleeps in our daughter’s room, but every so often he sleeps in our room.  He just likes to be near one of us when we’re home.  He may never be an off-leash dog, but when we move to the bigger farm we will work on that, as for now, he walks every morning and evening (round trip 2.2 miles twice daily) to the barn to take care of horses.  He’s an awesome communicator as far as needing to go out and when we’re behind schedule with breakfast/dinner.  He has an abundance of enduring expressions, as Weim’s do!

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Barn dog riding shotgun in the golf cart on way to feed lunch hay to horses

On the walk to the barn this morning Jon and I discussed the new puppy, and although it’s hard not to jump right in, we want to be settled into the new property and to have more time to devote to the needs of a new brother……Hence, Jon’s and I discussed when/who that happens.  Jon filled in application male or female but I think we’d prefer another male, boys will be boys, and I’m also opting for another Blue.  I had never seen a Blue till I met Taun and I/we do love his coloring, so if that’s

I understand that Tauns parents have been retired, but something akin to those personality traits is what we are looking for.

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Taun keeping Jon company while he works at the computer.

Thank you for what you do, bringing wonderful Weim’s into the world and look forward to working with you toward expanding our family.

 

A Few comments about our Nadja

We had a Weim a few years back that broke our heart. Nadja had the extreme misfortune to develop severe degenerative disc disease at an early age. By the age of 5, she had deteriorated to the point that she was in severe pain and essentially paralyzed in her back end. I made the decision to put her down, and it was one of the bleakest days of my life. I had raised her from a poop-covered pup, and she was a very special dog. She never needed a leash except for her own safety. We could be anywhere, and all I had to say was, “Nadja, come.” and she would race to my left side and sit waiting for me to say, “OK,” before bounding off again. The loss was heartbreaking, but we could not continue on without a Weimaraner or two forever. We will never forget our Nadja.

Breeder Comment

It has been a while since we received these emailed tidbits about Taun. He continues to settle into his new life and family. He has an ever-expanding role. Here are two more photos of him that speak volumes.

 

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Taun is now ‘The Tractor Operator’

 

Kilroy's Taun Study Budy

 Taun is such a part of our family now and so settled in.  
Grace’s study buddy

 

 

Berkley

Off to A Good Start

We love our Berkley. You chose well!!

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Here’s an update on CRATE TRAINING:

She was totally content in her crate for the 4-hour ride home from Oregon. We stopped once and she went potty. Her first night home, she was not happy at all to be away from her litter mates and her mama. We put her crate in our room so she could see us, but she still howled and whined much of the night. Yesterday we put her in her crate several times, for 20-45 minutes each time, during the day while we ate our meals and ran an errand. She was a little vocal about it each time but got better as the day progressed. We hosted a lunch event and a dinner event, and she did splendid meeting and greeting all the shoe-less guests (parvo precautionary rule). She was the absolute center of attention for a good chunk of the day. When it was time for bed last night we put her in her crate and she went right to sleep. Not one howl or yelp! She stirred at 2 am and gave me a little whimper. I took her outside and she went potty right away. She went back to sleep in her crate until almost 6 am, which is my wake-up time anyway! We were so thrilled and gave her lots of praise for doing such a good job.

An update on POTTY TRAINING:

We used the bell method with our first Weim, and it worked like a champ. So we knew this was the way to go the second time around. Every time we take her outside to go potty (after she eats, wakes up, just before bed or crate time, or every 30 minutes or so), we take her little paws and ring that bell and say “outside”. Yesterday she rang the bell all on her own. We took her out and she went potty right away. Then again today, she rang the bell on her own, and the same thing happened!!! She is catching on so fast. We haven’t had to clean up after any accidents. I am shocked.

An update on TRAINING AND LIFE IN GENERAL:

She is retrieving like a champ to our hand….stuffed toys, mostly. She isn’t into the balls yet for some reason. She is coming on command and just starting to get “sit”. I started working with her on heeling as well, but that’s a little trickier. She is starting to get it, but barely. Berkley went with us to take big sister to school for her first day of school today. And then she snuggled on the couch with us and listened in as I read a Sofia the First story to our youngest. She’s one fun pup. I attached a few pictures.

Thanks so much, Amanda

Breeder Comment

It was very sweet of you to update us on Berkley. We appreciate the follow through you are doing too! It is paying off. Yes, we try to set the pups up for success, but it takes more than a little knack to step quickly toward success.

The potty training is excellent. I love that you used the bell system. Around here that would not work, but in a traditional family setting it can get you off to a good start fast. Be sure to get a fecal exam. Giardia and coccidia are common one-celled parasites that can quickly multiply and reek havoc on the pup’s intestine. Treatment isn’t a big deal if you catch it early. Pups prefer puddle water, and they also lick their feet all the time. These are great ways to ingest something that can take off like a wildfire.

For those that have never collected a sample–you invert a baggie (Mark your name on this baggie first to ensure it is labeled). Grab a portion of a suspicious looking sample and invert and seal the baggie. Label a second baggie with your name, the pup’s name as well as the date and time the sample was collected. Keep this sample cool (not frozen). Freshness is important; therefore, get the collected sample to the Vet office ASAP. Collect it just before you leave when possible.

This one thing can save you a lot of trouble. Stress diarrhea is a thing. We might fear the worst, and it could be stress. Canned or steamed pumpkin is great for correcting a loose stool. It is not a bad idea to give your pup a couple of tablespoons twice a day and even some berry yogurt–the kind with live cultures. These are very good for their digestion, and the yogurt helps ward off yeast infections too.

Our First Day

With Griffey

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The Name Change

Thank you again for all of the hard work and love you put into these pups. (We re-named “Otis” to now call him “Griffey, and he is already taking commands/ recognizing his new name.)

A Learning Experience

I think yesterday and today have been as much of us learning how to take care of a pup as it was for the pup learning how to adapt to his new environment. With out a doubt Griffey had stolen our hearts from the moment we met him.
Griffey is such a loving, sweet, INTELLIGENT pup.

The Trip Home and Nordy 

He did fantastic on the ride home! When he got to the house he was calm/relaxed. (The cat Nordy currently has his own opinions about Griffey 😂) He has been used to being an only child.

How It Went

Griffey has only had one accident in the house, but other than that he already knows what “go potty” means and essentially eliminates on command.
Yesterday we played so much that today has been very lazy. Not to mention the fact that we were up at five to potty, eat, play a bit, then nap.
The first night of crate training seemed like a long one (although he only cried for about 15 min initially and then woke up and needed to eliminate around 3 am then cried for about 15 min to go back to sleep again. We will be consistent with the crate training and see how long it takes for him to adapt.
Thank you two again for everything! We are so blessed to have this pup and your Support.

Breeder Comment

It is a joy to do this for a family such as yours. We look forward to hearing about your future adventures. May he live long and we hope the journey is life-changing in a good way.

Much-Loved

Koda

Hartung's Koda_1244Oh we love him so very, very much!!!!   He’s super loving, smart and just ornery enough to make you laugh often!!!  Wouldn’t trade him for the world.
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Koda still doesn’t like being in a crate while we are gone!   A carabiner solved the getting out issue but I have no idea how he got the zipper on his bed open to tear up the foam.  I guess we take out everything except his stuffy while we are gone now. His crating seems to be going backwards.  Koda doesn’t realize how stubborn his dad is though. Ha-ha! 🙂

I just wish he would do better when we were gone.  I’m sure part of it is due to how much time he spends with me during the day. Working from home isn’t always a good thing. We are talking about taking him to the doggy day care one day a week some friends of ours take their dogs to. I think that would be good for him.  Don’t worry, he’s not going anywhere!!!  🙂

Breeder’s Comment

I don’t suppose Koda can blame this on the neighbor’s dog.

Willow

In The News Again

~ Jan Willow Set the Standard at Perfect!

20116807_10213083004133048_2234169274065277173_oUKC Best-In-Show and High-In-Trial Champion Sunstar Willow of OwyheeStar, AKC Canine Good Citizen, AKC Novice Trick Dog, UKC Rally Obedience I, UKC Agility I, Therapy Dog International certified!

Breeder Comment

What can we say? Congratulations hardly seem to be enough. For all the natural ability as well as Willow’s excellent temperament none of this would have been possible without Jan. It takes dedication and a lot of hard work to garner a prize, ribbon, or title. When the list of titles continues to grow, it is beyond impressive–the stellar performance makes us so proud too!

PS–what a fantastic photo!

Fireworks Sensitivity

From Steve Snell

      ~ Gundog Supply

Be Careful with Your Dogs and Fireworks!

Fireworks can screw up a dog faster than anything.

Everybody needs to be careful with fireworks around their young dogs and older dogs that have not been properly conditioned to gunfire (see video).

Fireworks are unnatural. You don’t have a lot of control over when or where the noise happens. Fireworks can screw up a dog faster than anything. It’s a lot harder to fix a gun shy or noise sensitive dog than it is to prevent gun shyness in the first place.

This year, only one of my dogs is showing a little gun sensitivity, so Loretta is going to stay in the house over the holiday while the neighbors are shooting off fireworks.

Here are some tips to prevent fireworks sensitivity in your dogs:

  • Keep your dogs as far away from fireworks as possible.
  • If possible, bring your dogs inside in a closed-off, interior room.
  • Block out the noise with a TV, radio, or white-noise maker.
  • Check with your neighbors about their fireworks plans.
  • Ask for a phone call before they start.

Sometimes the fireworks start before New Year’s Eve or the 4th of July and run a few days after the holiday.

There is NO REASON for a dog to be around fireworks, and I do everything I can to keep my dogs away from them. Usually dogs conditioned to gunfire can handle the noise of fireworks, but there really isn’t anything good about them as far as dogs are concerned. We sell a couple of products that are designed to help dogs get over the fear of fireworks, but I really prefer NOT to have to sell them.

CONCERNS

My biggest concern is that a dog will hurt themselves trying to get away from the noise. My second concern is that exposure will create a gun shy or noise-sensitive problem where there doesn’t have to be one.

NOISE-SHY DOES NOT EQUAL GUN SHY

Just because a dog is noise-sensitive to fireworks, does NOT necessarily mean that will translate into gunshyness, but why take a chance?

My best gun dog ever, Em, never had a problem with gunfire, but she was so afraid of thunderstorms that we had to build a special top for her kennel run so she couldn’t climb out or hurt herself trying.

HOW NOT TO EXPOSE A NEW PUP TO FIREWORKS

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I was at a party a few years back and watched a new dog get exposed to fireworks completely the wrong way. The dog was in her kennel but still in full view of everything that was going on. Once the fireworks started she became more and more upset and wanted out of the kennel. To calm her down they let her out of her crate and she made a break for it. They didn’t find her for two days.

The volume and brightness of fireworks is just too much for most dogs and nothing good is going to come from it. Please take the time to protect your pets while the possibility of unexpected explosions are around.

I do my best to keep all my dogs away from any kind of fireworks. Even dogs that have been properly conditioned to gunfire can become upset or nervous when exposed to fireworks. It just isn’t worth it.

Fireworks happens twice a year with New Year’s and Fourth of July. You might want to condition your dogs to fireworks, especially if you live where your dogs will be exposed a couple of weeks out of the year. It never hurts to check with your neighbors about their fireworks plans. Give them a heads up that you have a young dog and ask them to give you a call before they start.

People don’t think about fireworks until it’s too late, so think about it a little now. The majority of dogs don’t have a problem with it, but some do. Why take a chance? No point in stressing your dogs out.

Remember, if you want to shoot fireworks, be safe and have fun. Just keep in mind that unexpected noise and stress could create a problem where one doesn’t exist.

                             —  Steve

Breeder Comment

We talked about fireworks yesterday; however, we thought it was good to hear from someone who is intimately involved with the sporting dog industry. Steve makes a living advising and selling supplies that help canine enthusiasts. In all his great tutorials and bits of information, he provides there is a segment on introducing a dog to gunfire. His advice might prove helpful to some of our OwyheeStar Weimaraner News readers. We hope you find a nugget of truth that helps you get through the next two weeks without incident. Most of all, prepare, plan and make provision for what is about to come.

Be Safe and have fun!

Click Here to go directly to Steve’s article.

Elio

At 16 Weeks

Lorenzen's Elio June 23 2017Elio continues to be an absolute joy and an incredible addition to my little fur family!  He’s a calm, well-mannered puppy who picks up on things incredibly fast! We’re going into week 3 of puppy classes and he’s doing great! 🙂

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Vaccine Crossroad

A Reminder to Proceed with Caution

The Sadie X Stackhouse Litter will celebrate their sixteen-week birthday on this coming Sunday (June 25th). That brings everyone to a crossroad. By now a lot has happened, and everyone will have found themselves insanely busy raising their Weimaraner. The Weimaraner’s (and the OwyheeStar) Vaccine Protocol can have been forgotten.

Your Veterinary office will have a different (broad-based) vaccine protocol. Even if they agree to follow the recommendations, it will fall on the pup’s owner to remember these details. We suggest putting the dates on your calendar and ignoring the Veterinary office alerts. Otherwise, it gets very confusing. If you have forgotten the protocol read on1

 

  • 6-Week NEOPAR® Puppy Shot(given at OwyheeStar)
  • 9-Week *Nobivac Canine 1-DAPPv
  • 12- Week *Nobivac Canine 1-DAPPv
  • Other vaccines such as Lepto and Kennel Cough (Bordatella) should be given as needed–and avoided when possible. We recommend not combining these shots with any other vaccine–, especially rabies. Vaccine challenges the immune system to build antibodies; therefore, we strongly encourage you to space Lepto, Bordetella, and Rabies vaccination at least two weeks apart. We realize that many veterinary practices give multiple vaccinations at a single visit; however, this approach is easier on the immune system. If a reaction does occur, then you know what caused it and plan to avoid it in the future. Yes, we understand this is a more costly approach–avoiding the risk is worth it!
  • 16-Week Crossroad <== Opt for the Vaccine Titer Test instead of automatically getting another puppy shot. Your Vet is going to recommend just doing the shot because that is typical for the all-breed approach; however, a percentage of Weims are vaccine sensitive. Although your pup probably never had a reaction before, please do not ignore this warning. Even a mild vaccine reaction can trigger immune system issues–some of these lead to on-going health problems and in certain instances death. It is not worth the risk! The vaccine titer test runs more than double the cost of the typical puppy shot, but it might save you thousands over time as well as the potential heartache. Almost without exception, our protocol has been producing immunity by week sixteen, which means your puppy doesn’t need any more essential vaccine. If you need the optional vaccines (Bordetella or Lepto) these can be done; however, please space them at least two weeks apart from the Rabies.
  • Vaccine Blog Post   For the OwyheeStar Client Only click here! (requires password)

PUPPY VACCINE CLARIFICATION (Lepto)

There is a significant push by the Veterinary community (due to the recent rise of Lepto) to include Lepto in the puppy shot. The Weimaraner Club of America (as well as others who study this breed) recommend you wait to give the Lepto, etc. until the puppy shots are completed. The puppy shot should not include Lepto or Corona. No other vaccine should be combined with the puppy shot. Waiting for the Lepto, Bordetella, and another vaccine until the pup is a little older is less risky. It takes more effort and costs a bit more to space the vaccine, but is worth it.

What is the DAPPv?

Canine Distemper, Adenovirus Type 1 (Hepatitis), Adenovirus Type 2 (Respiratory Disease), Parainfluenza, and Parvovirus (Click Here to read more about the vaccine we use. Remember the Puppy Shot should not contain the Lepto or Corona.

OwyheeStar Disclaimer

The Weimaraner Club of America (WCA) Vaccine Protocol

We are neither Licensed Veterinarians nor Licensed Veterinary Techs. Our recommendations are based on twenty-plus years breeding the Weimaraner (exclusively) as well as the breed recommendation (from the Weimaraner Club of America). Ultimately, you have to decide what is the best approach. This protocol is considered a more Holistic and safer approach. That being said, our advice cannot replace that of your Veterinary of choice. 

Dutch

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Dutch and Molly (my Grandmother’s OwyheeStar Weimar)

This is our Dutch dog. From the very beginning, you could tell he was going to be a great hunter. But to tell you the truth he’s always going to be my kid. When he was just a babe I started him out young training him with pheasant wings and of course ‘the ball.’ Dutch wouldn’t stop..and in his training he became great.
I decided about three years ago to teach him how to swim. ( Oh, he was 2 years old when he first swam.  ) Mind you he always liked the water. Short hairs usually don’t like the water but he’s a mix* because his Dad is a Longhair. I’d thought I’d risk it. We live on some pretty big water in Boring, Oregon along the Sandy River. The day was hot and water just right. I started him off slow throwing him a stick a little farther each time. After a few trial by error and gulps of water Dutch learned to raise his head and use that long whipping tail as a rudder. By that rate I couldn’t stop him from taking the plunge, jumping in and swimming against the strong currents. Dutch is unstoppable. Thank you, soo much for the joy you’ve brought into our lives. He’s really such a great dog!  😘 ~ Bonney

From Bonney’s Mom–Jane

Dutch has been the best of all the Weimaraners that we have owned.  Some of that may be due to our own growth in how to train a hunting dog, but most of it has to do with his personality.
He plays alone with a stick ball or blanket…throwing it up into the air and pouncing on it, tossing it and chasing it on his own while he spins, jumps and prances.
He plays well with other dogs, too and will lower himself to their level if they are small breeds.
Of course, we treat him like a human member of our family, but he has his own dog bed and toys.  Bonney has assisted greatly in his training to hold or stay.  He will allow Sam to walk around the area while he is on point (hold) and Dutch loves to dive into the brush to retrieve.  He does not like to come back empty handed.  He has also been swimming in the Colorado River and loves the water.
Mom’s dog, Molly, was born about 12 days after Dutch.  Mom and Bonney keep me up to date!

Breeder Comment

We are thrilled to get news for both Molly and Dutch. It is so great that they are doing well. Bonney, we thank you for the lovely video of Dutch swimming. 
*Bonney says he is a Mix–she means that Mama (Cindee) was a traditional Silver Gray smooth coat Weimaraner, whereas the litter was sired by Stackhouse who is a Longhair Weimaraner. Although a great percentage of the OwyheeStar pups learn to love the water, Stackhouse most certainly is a strong swimmer. Nevertheless, most Weims swim because a few things happen in the right way. One thing that really helps is getting the strong recall and the love of the retrieve ingrained. This strategy can work in your favor. Some folks who do not want a bird dog allow their Weimaraner too much freedom–they get the idea they can play keep away. They do not retrieve to hand. Achieving these two necessary skills opens additional doors of opportunity for the hunter and the non-hunter. It is important. Believing it is possible also is key. Getting the Weimaraner to swim is doable! Even in the most reluctant of swimmers, it can be achieved, but exposing them to water early on is best. 
Our puppies swim before leaving here when the weather permits. See the first swim of 2017 below.

At OwyheeStar Earlier This Year

The Sadie X Stackhouse Litter

George NAVHDA

Natural Ability

Dealy's George_0084Hi guys, just wanted to touch base.  George had his NA (NAVHDA Natural Ability) test last weekend.  He pointed 3 chukars during the field search (even grabbed one on the wing) and, taking after Stackhouse it sounds like, has turned into an enthusiastic and strong swimmer, but blew the tracking phase.  Dea;y's George_0113He’s tracked dozens, maybe hundreds of birds this year so that was disappointing.  I have my theories but it is what it is.  only took home a Prize III and we were hoping for more but it’s just a trial and he’s already a proven field dog.  I thought I’d send over some photos we got.  I hope everything’s going well.

Richard and George

Breeder Comment

Congratulations Richard!

Earning any Prize is noteworthy. We always have to remind ourselves even though the Weimaraner has a steady skill set that on a given day any number of things can go awry. Everyone covets the Prize I and some folks travel from NAVHDA test to NAVHDA test to snag one. We don’t have that luxury.

The most important thing is the field performance. He is a young Weim with a solid set of skills. We are positive that competing in the NAVHDA event even though it didn’t net you the top prize helped cement the skill set even more. Thank you, for doing that and reporting back to us. Also, we love the photos you shared. Keep up the good work with George, and we wish you many years of success in the field.

Crate Training Journal

One Family’s Journey

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Chris Reports

May 3, 2017

Hi All!  Koda slept through the night on Saturday.  I woke him up at 2:00 to go out then he woke us up around 5:30-6:00 to go out.  The last couple of nights it’s been more of what I expected.  He wants out every 2.5 – 3 hours.  During the night he does great in the crate.  It’s rougher during the day for sure.  Patience is the key along with staying on the plan but wow, does this boy have a set of lungs! LOL.  He’s been doing so good for the most part.  When we go out to potty he does his thing then goes and sits in front of the door to let you know he’s done and ready to go back in.  We’ve been setting him down then standing off to the side of the dogs “bathroom” and he sniffs around then goes.  We have a separate yard that we’ve rocked for the dogs to use as a bathroom.  He did have a couple of accidents this morning but I’m pretty sure he was stressed a bit.  We had a tough morning with my son.  Most days he wakes up great but occasionally he is a total bear.  Argues, is mean, etc.  Today was that day.  After everybody settled down so did Koda.  We all got puppy kisses and he fell asleep on the couch with his blanket and a stuffy. J  He’s asleep right now under my desk, between my feet.  He is so smart, cute and loveable!!!  Thank you so very much for helping bring him into our family!!!

May 4, 2017

Hartung's Koda_0993I got 6 hours of sleep last night!!!!!!!   I was feeling reeeaaalllyyy tired, to the point I was just running on auto pilot.  Koda and I fell asleep between 10 and 10:30, he was in his kennel which I moved closer to my side of the bed.  I woke up about 4:30, amazed that it was that late and wondering if I should wake him up.  He must have felt that I was awake, he gave a couple small scratches at the gate to let me know and off we went to the bathroom.  Of course he didn’t want to stay there when we came back in so we snuggled on the floor in front of the kennel. I know he fell back asleep and I must have because my wife’s alarm woke me up about 6:15.  He is such a good snuggler.

May 5, 2017

I wish I could say that sleep was my friend last night but Mr. Koda had other plans.  He didn’t want to settle into his kennel at first.  Finally around 11:00 or so he did.  Woke up at 2:30 wanting out then really didn’t want to be in the kennel.  Took about 30 minutes and me laying in front of it for him to sleep.  Up at 5:30… no way was I going to fight that fight so snuggled him for 30 minutes until it was time for us to get up.  I need coffee 🙂
May 6, 2017
Koda threw a fit for a long time last night. Julie thinks it was almost 2 hours. My wife and the kids were sleeping upstairs and I was with Koda downstairs. After about 45 minutes I fell asleep. LOL!  I was tired and I have some good ear buds.  Tough love it is. Thanks again!!!
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May 8, 2017
Great night last night!!!  Slept from 10:30 to 6:25 this morning!!!

Breeder Comment

We have found the most important aspect of crate training is the human element. By that, we mean that if you feel sorry for the pup, they will play on that until they get the upper paw and you let them out. The slightest waver or questioning of your methodology is something the intuitive Weimaraner can work with–use to manipulate you. Oh, you might think it impossible for them to start that process at 8-weeks-old. Do not be deceived. The moment they come to you the dance begins. You wrap them in your arms, and they find a way into your heart. It is not all bad; however, winning the small battles is important. Good job Chris–one down and others to do.