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Popularity, Polarity, and Placements
The interest in the Longhair Weimaraner continues to grow. Statically speaking, we see double the interest in the Longhair compared to the Blue. When we speak of interest, we mean people looking at them, asking about them, and accessing information. There are simply put, not as many ideal placements for the longhair; sometimes called the other Weimaraner. Indeed, they are all Weimaraners. There are those that are wild about the longhair. There are others polarized by the different look, the idea of an undocked tail, and the wisps of hair.
We find the varied responses interesting. In America, the concept of the Longhair is new; sometimes it is shocking. A few American breeders have this variety, but in Germany (and worldwide), they are well known. They compete in the show ring, field trials, and are well accepted. They are part of the gene pool.
Shocking, Unsettling, and other than Traditional
The reasons for slower placement are multifaceted. Overall, the average American thinking about the Weimaraner, is thinking smooth-coat. To mention the longhair variety is often unsettling to an applicant. That being said, there are not as many readily available good placements for the American Longhair. The Blues continue to find homes in quick order. They seem as in demand as the traditional gray ghost variety.
The importance of campaigning the longhair cannot be overstated. They are important to the breed as a whole. We know some traditional American Weimlovers cannot stomach the idea of a Weimaraner other than the one they know (and love). It is OK if they choose not to embrace them; however, we cannot ignore this varied component. For this, and many other reasons, incorporating the longhairs into the process is important. Interest is on the rise.
Cliff and the Longhair Pups
We have a few (awesome ready-go) Longhair pups. As it sometimes will happen, people waited months for us to produce a few longhair pups, only to not be ready. It is much too complicated to explain the complex juggling act involved on our part. It includes a list of folks that have their own agenda. We face many unknown factors. The number of longhair pups within a certain litter is a mystery until they arrive. This, indeed, creates more drama than usual. The juggling act becomes more flamboyant. Sometimes, as a breeder, you end up with a bigger show than you thought possible. Despite the challenge, we believe our efforts are warranted. Those who added a longhair to their family affirm our conviction. Some things in life require participation to (fully) comprehend. This is probably one of those areas.
Targa is fitting in well!
Jan 4, 2013 — Life has been crazy since we got Targa – holidays, stomach flu running through the house, colds too, the snow – BUT Targa is doing well, everyone adjusted quickly, he loves the kids and they love him, hubby too. Training is going well. I love Don Sullivan’s information – very similar to Scotch Pines, but even better.
We are getting positive results for the most part!
Targa’s a bit stubborn, but terribly smart. He pointed at our bunnie a couple of days after we got him. And while he really wants to chase the chickens, I can call him off. I can keep him within the front yard borders with a firm ‘NO’ as he approaches the boundary. He potty trained super fast. He sits for his meals (w/ a high-five) and sits at the door before I’ll open it to go out or in. I can clean his ears and trim his nails with no issues. The puppy biting is our only complaint.
I’ll get a picture off soon – he’s really beautiful.
March 30, 2013 — I finally, a sort of decent picture of the 6 month old, and I have a few minutes to send it to you. A beautiful specimen in my opinion. Crazy smart and very full of energy. Loves to be outside.
Breeder’s Note: Puppy Biting is the bane of most Weim owners. They want to engage everyone, and everything with their mouth. This is never more true than those they love. It seems unending, but with time and patience it will subside. We and others have written extensively on this topic.
Our trip home went so well!
I’ve named him Atticus. Squiggle isn’t super interested in him so far. We stopped a couple of times for a bathroom break. He stays really close and sits on my feet if I stand still. He ate some food, drank some water and spent most of the time asleep on my lap or next to me.
Atticus and my cats
He has met the cats and isn’t afraid of them. They are the same size as he is right now, and they are trying to figure out what this new creature is. Atticus doesn’t have the ‘normal’ dog reaction to their hissing at him, he thinks its a game.
He stayed in the crate from 10pm-3am. He had an accident, but I think it was because I wasn’t fast enough to get to him. He does cry like he is being tortured though. And he’s very loud. Doing well today eating and playing. I brought him to work with me today to work on the crate training and being alone, but the other couple of students working the weekend shift are spoiling him rotten. Tomorrow he will have to stay home and I can go let him out at lunch. So we shall see how it goes.
He does like to retrieve.
He did it with a stick and some toys. He’s very sweet, just wants to snuggle all of the time. He is quite whiny, but I know that will change soon, when is he used to things and more comfortable. He cares more about where I am, than where the other animals are, trying to follow me everywhere. The leash is on him, but I never have to use it as he never goes farther than a couple of steps away. He likes to come and sit in between my feet and put his head against my leg.
Thanks for the gorgeous pup!! I’ll send a new update soon. ~Marika
Breeder’s Note: Marika is a veterinary student in Pullman, WA. Her new puppy is a longhair blue.
You may remember Lacee produced a litter sired by Dusty about a year ago. We did a repeat mating, and we have this wonderful litter on the ground now. We are just starting to accept applications, and to place these pups. While the longhair may not be everyone’s idea of a Weimaraner, most who meet one never forget them.
This is a series of short video clips taken on New Year’s Day. We sincerely hope you enjoy seeing the pups, and the extraordinary mother. Thank you for dropping by! ~ Shela and Cliff
Breeder’s Note: We never dreamed we would get such a high percentage of longhairs in our litters. Our experience has been about 25% of the litter is longhair. Therefore, when we had longhairs promised we planned for two litters, and both produced six longhair pups. DNA experts cite you should expect 50% to be longhair. As you can see, there are not guarantees. There is a lot of interest, and since the Lacee X Dusty 2011 litter has received such a rave-review, we are expecting the pups to be in demand.
Knowing when and how to bring home the second Weimaraner is important. There are so many aspects to making a good decision that a single blog cannot cover all the ins-and-outs. Regardless, many of our OwyheeStar clients have incorporated a second or third Weimaraner into their household. We have a few extreme Weimlovers that manage four Weims, but that is not for the faint of heart. Even three Weims is considered a pack. For many people two Weimaraner are as easy, and sometimes easier than one. Melding the new addition into the family on every level can be challenging, but we have never known anyone to fail.
Sometimes the new pup is introduced and instantly knits into the family. This qualifies as a cartwheel-spinning happy event. Other times, the resident dog (or dogs) resists the addition to the family. No one can predict all that will happen when you bring home a new fur family member. It is safe to say that most of us hope the resident family members (human, canine, and feline) will embrace the addition of the Weimaraner puppy, and inclusion will go smoothly. We want the resident fur family members to feel the same excitement we feel in our heart (when adding the Weimaraner pup), but that probably is not realistic. In general, the younger the (fur) household members, the easier this transition happens. Nonetheless, there is no exact formula. Each household is made up of unique components. Adding a second (or third) Weimaraner may mean you meet some resistance. Fur family members may choose to ignore, boycott, shun, or even withhold their affection. They may pout, and act-out. Your response (actions, reactions, attitude, and feelings) are important. The Weimaraner is very intuitive. If you are frustrated, wounded, or upset, The residents (new and old alike) may take your cue, and respond in kind.
The best approach is to stay matter-of-fact, and not to react. Keep doing the same things, and not press the new pup upon the everyone. Let them forge their relationship on their own terms. The resident Weimaraner (or other pet) should receive more than the usual dose of affection and attention. The puppy should not be the center of attention. We realize how difficult this is, but looking at the long-term goal you can see how this would work in your favor. If you focus on the puppy too much, others will feel abandoned and displaced. At the same time, a new pup requires vigilance and attention to train. Try to view things as your other pet would see it. They want your undivided attention, and it will take a while for them to realize how wonderful this new upstart is going to be.
Breeder’s Note about the photos: These photos are of Charlie and Max. Max is a nine year old male, that recently lost his Weimaraner sister (Chloe). He was missing her, and the family as a whole knew they could not replace Chloe, but they needed to consider adding another Weimaraner for everyone’s benefit. Max readily accepted Charlie (and OwyheeStar Longhair gray female). She has a very sweet disposition, and should make a great addition to the family. This is their first longhair, and we believe they now love both the smooth and the longhair Weimaraner.
To read our Previous OwyheeStar Post on Two Weimaraners click here!
We (Cliff and Shela) have been aware of the Longhair Weimaraner for more than a decade. First, it was a fleeting bit of information that was educational. Then we were intrigued, and at the same time perplexed. Information was a mixed lot; sometimes leading to the wrong conclusion. Our first longhairs were more or less an experiment which soon captured our hearts.
The Weimaraner evokes a deep connection and almost what we would term a soul-to-soul connection. The longhair adds a bit of fun (or whimsy to the equation). Incorporating the longhair into the OwyheeStar breeding program changes our potential end result. Many people who are the benefactor of this added factor, know the benefit. Some of the pluses are hard to put into words on a page. They are temperament, health related, and not easily measured. In addition, adding the longhair to the mix creates a deeper gene pool. When we carefully choose matings, we can control the outcome.
Many people are misinformed and believe that having a longhair in the mix will mean that all the pups will be longhairs. However, in some cases none of the pups will be longhair. We will forego that discussion because it is complicated and lengthy by nature. The short explanation is that both parents must either be a longhair, or a carry the DNA marker for the longhair to get any longhair pups. For the puppy to grow the longer hair, it must be a longhair. Many of you may remember Willow and Max. Willow has been featured on the OwyheeStar News Blog many times, and Max has made frequent appearances too! They are littermates (brother and sister) from a mating between Greta and Stackhouse. Greta carries the longhair DNA marker as a recessive trait. As you can see, Willow is a lovely smooth coat (short-hair) Weimaraner).
Targa, like Willow and Max is from a mixed litter. He has two littermates, and neither is a longhair.
Targa’s photos (along with her littermate’s photos) have been causing a stir on the OwyheeStar Facebook Page, where they have been featured recently. For those enchanted and seeking, we have a few available longhair pups that will be ready at the end of November. We hope you have enjoyed the photos and the information. For now, please enjoy the slide show. It contains the photos of Willow and Max along with photos of Targa’s first six weeks:
The American standard for the Weimaraner calls for the tail to be docked. Here is how the AKC breed standard reads:
Tail (Click Here to read more on the breed standard)
Docked. At maturity it should measure approximately 6 inches with a tendency to be light rather than heavy and should be carried in a manner expressing confidence and sound temperament. A non-docked tail shall be penalized.
A few American breeders will accommodate the person who wants the European-style undocked tail. Here at OwyheeStar we will accommodate this request. Wellie’s family were adamant that they wanting their hunting companion to be undocked. Recently (this summer) we have had two blue pup’s with an undocked tail.
First it was Zula Blue, and currently one of Moxie’s pups also has an undocked tail.
This is not a discussion about what is right or wrong. We are merely talking about something that is getting increased interest. Some like the longer tail, but others are opposed to the idea of docking the tail. Regardless of the reason, there is a lot of interest surrounding the undocked Weimaraner.
No discussion of the undocked tail would be complete without bringing up the longhair. The Longhair Weimaraner standard calls for the tail to be undocked. Normally, when come of age (reach maturity around 2 years) the Weimaraner carries their tail high in a plume.
Yes Siena is a longhair–and we love it!!!
She continues to be the love of our lives. Right now she’s curled at my feet waiting for her afternoon walk.
We just returned from the vet where she got her annual Bordetella booster shot. She weighed 57.7 pounds. I’m attaching a couple of recent pictures so you can see what a beauty she is (we think she looks a little bit like Storm.)
Please tell Cliff congratulations on NAVHDA success. That’s quite a coup. We’ll keep you up to date on Siena and hope all continues to go well with you.
~Phil and Connie
P.S. We were in Italy last month and came across a couple with a six-month-old male Weimaraner puppy. The undocked tail was quite a shock. We prefer the docked tail, even on longhair Siena. The Italians, on the other hand, were horrified when we told them that all Weims in the US had their tails docked. They said it was cruel. We agreed to disagree.
Breeder’s Note: The number of inquiries for an undocked smooth-coated Weimaraner continues to rise. The first undocked tail left about three years ago and his family lives in the Portland, Oregon area. Wellie and his owner do a lot of things together. They recently sent us an update on their duck hunting adventure (click here to see photos).
As for tail-docking being cruel, if done early, and correctly it is relatively painless. The reasons for tail docking are associated with potential tail damage. Most of Europe bans tail docking. Not every person in Europe agrees with the policy but the vast majority feel as this Italian couple do. Many express that they want a natural or whole Weimaraner when they contact us about getting an OwyheeStar puppy. This can even mean the dew claws are to be left intact. In some countries, hunting Weims can still be docked but that is under government control.
Likewise, interest in the Longhair Weimaraner continues to grow. Despite people’s fears, they are not as messy as most Labradors. When kept brushed, they can be extra ordinarily clean. Of course the longer hair does show more than the normal eyelash length hair from the smooth coated Weims. Nevertheless, you do not see hair all over your clothing or laying up and down the hallway when they are groomed on a regular basis.
I’m sure you’ve been dying to know what Duck has been up to….. He get complements on his demeanor everywhere we go, for being such a mellow puppy.
He can be a little timid when meeting new people, but for the most part he is very friendly.
He picked up fetching without effort. He isn’t gun shy at all and will even attempt to retrieve clays, even though I have made no attempt to train him to retrieve birds.
I have not had him swimming due to the season, but he makes no fuss when I give him baths. He even let’s my blow dry him, he just lays there. His coat is starting to get a little curly around the hips, however he has not started to get any flagging on his tail or legs.
Oh and counter-surfing has come into play. He has figured out that he is big enough to reach things off of counter tops when no one is looking, and does chew things he is not supposed to if leave things out, or don’t supply him with enough toys, but no more than any puppy I suppose. I took him on a run for the first time the other day and he was able to do a good portion of it off his leash.
Duck is a Longhair Weimaraner and for this reason he also has an undocked tail.
To read more about Duck’s journey Click Here! To be clear about the Longhair Weimaraner — they are not well known or what you might think. Interest is growing as people discover them. There is a bit more grooming but nothing compared to a Labrador or Golden.
Although we have not raised many Longhairs thus far we do plan a litter with Lacee later this year. Even if you are not a fan of the Longhair they should be of interest. Around the world the numbers and interest seems to be growing. Many people cite the Longhairs bring health benefits to the Weimaraner gene pool and this alone would make them of great value. Contrary to what many people believe, a Longhair Carrier doesn’t have longer hair per say, but their coat may be softer and more luxurious. Often, their coat looks identical and feels identical to other smooth coats. OwyheeStar has several Longhair Carriers.
For those concerned about their OwyheeStar puppy turning into a Longhair later, this not a concern. DNA testing can help a breeder know with certainty which pups within a litter are longhair, carriers, or clear of the longhair marker. Furthermore, by week two the longhair pups within a litter are evident and their looks begin to give evidence of their longhair story about to unfold.
The Other Weimaraner — The Longhair Weimaraner should not be discounted or overlooked. Although the regal looks and smooth coat are often the initial attraction–for many who see their first longhair they are pleasantly surprised.
The number of inquiries for undocked tails has increased…
In the United States, we have choices.
Within the last two years we have had three families follow through with their request for an undocked tail. Wellington is a hunter as well as a companion. Wellington is one of the three OwyheeStar undocked by choice puppies!
His human hunting companion likes to hunt water fowl as well as upland game–a versatile hunter was a must!
We try to accommodate our clients when possible!
- All smooth coats have docked tails and dew claws removed.
- All longhairs have undocked tails and the dew claws removed.
Grandchildren favorites at OwyheeStar include:
- The Longhairs
- The smooth coats with the undocked tails.
- Boomer and Diva
Note: Boomer and Diva are favorites because they have been with Grandpa training with these two and know them well!
Undocked Tails & Longhairs ~ Popularity Growing!
We hope you find this interesting……
~SHELA AND CLIFF
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